The NTSBs final report provides no new recommendations, but notes that CommutAir implemented several actions to increase safety. Crew missed first approach bc something didnt look right when they went visual, then apparently just sorta yolod it on the second attempt and had some severe confirmation bias when looking at what they thought were the runway/lights. See this is my problem with the industry. [1]:1314, Flight 4933 departed from Newark Liberty International Airport around 10:04Eastern Standard Time(EST) (14:04UTC). What do you think about this accident? And before anyone starts screaming discrimination and racism, go F off, I know pilots of every sex, color and creed that are outstanding aviators, AND I know white pilots that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them! Anyone got any suggestions? They dont need to know the aircraft or the area or the SOP. The NTSB released their findings in July of 2022. CommutAir 4933 accident at PQI docket has been released to the public by the NTSB data.ntsb.gov This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast 68 44 44 comments Best EJ1134 7 mo. The scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seats coming apart, Daigle said. Lets investigate further. After the go-around the first officer asked the captain if she saw the lights on the runway. A United Express Embraer EMB-145XR similar to the one involved in the accident. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. commutair 4933 ntsb report. Photo: NTSB. The preliminary report on the accident of United Flight 4933 says that on March 4th at 11:43 am United Express landed between runway 1 and the taxiway in light to moderate snow at the Northern Maine Regional Airport in Presque Isle. The accident took place on a snowy day in 2019 at Presque Isle International Airport. Part of the landing gear was torn away, and the nose cone was damaged. robertsky (talk) 16:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC), | b1 = , | b2 = , | b3 = , | b4 = , | b5 = , Last edited on 16 September 2022, at 14:10, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:CommutAir_Flight_4933&oldid=1110621196, On 1 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be, This page was last edited on 16 September 2022, at 14:10. Track CommutAir (C5) #4933 flight from Houston Bush Int'ctl to Lafayette Rgnl/Paul Fournet Fld. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on this United flight that ended up off the runway at the airport in Presque Isle on Monday morning. ALPA needs to be stop defending these pilots all the time. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. Fleet type match . Of the 31 passengers and crew onboard, two passengers and 1 crewmember received minor injuries. During the final approach, the pilots decided to do a go-around after they were unable to see the runway. Location: Windsor Locks, Connecticut . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It is not clear what may have caused this to happen, Smith said. [1]:710, CommutAir and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) initially reported that the aircraft had touched down on the runway and then slid off, but the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) later clarified that the aircraft had missed the runway entirely. A review of NBA playoff history indicated that the only occurrence of an NBA playoff game 6 where Golden State was leading Memphis at halftime 58-49 was on May 15, 2015". Flight status, tracking, and historical data for CommutAir 4933 (C54933/UCA4933) 17-Mar-2022 (KIAH-KLFT) including scheduled, estimated, and actual departure and arrival times. So the vaunted 121 safety system isn't exactly 100% effective? The first officer commenced a second approach and verified that the aircraft was aligned with the ILS localizer. And for such a serious incident too, anything involving airlines usually takes 2 years. You must log in or register to reply here. Rather scattered individual, always leaving something in the airplane, always some drama.Then she came back to C5 after whatever happened and having upgraded in 2015, I flew with her when she was rehired. Remove the mounting nuts and the mounting bolts. So we fired him. Senator Susan Collins, the Ranking Member of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, issued a statement on the release of the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) final report on the missed runway incident at Presque Isle International Airport that occurred in March of 2019. [4], The aircraft was substantially damaged and was subsequently written off as a result. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) says a United Express regional jet didn't slide off a runway in Maine it missed the runway altogether. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Today, U.S. The first impact was hard and violent.. [1]:7[6] The airport was closed in reaction to the accident. Cassie Daigle took this photo inside the plane shortly after it stopped. The airplane was substantially damaged. In August 2016, the aircraft was transferred to CommutAir. FAA guidance before the accident did not specifically address snow depth around a localizer antenna; after the accident, the guidance was revised to state that localizer alignment should be checked if snow accumulated to a depth exceeding 2ft (0.61m)[1]:4, The NTSB found that at least six CommutAir pilots had noticed the localizer misalignment within the preceding five days before the accident but none had filed a company aviation safety action program (ASAP) report; however, four of them filed ASAP reports after the accident. [1]:78, The aircraft ascended from a minimum altitude of 703ft (214m) mean sea level (MSL) [169ft (52m) above ground level (AGL)] to around 1,000ft (300m) MSL. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. 28 pax/3 crew. Unfortunately, it was implemented way too late to catch things like Atlas and this, but thats the nature of the beast: reactive and years behind at best. PRIA is a complete joke. To fill out this checklist, please add the following code to the template call: I've removed the link to Delta Air Lines Flight 1086 because, although it also involves snow and poor visibility, that accident was fundamentally caused by the aircrew's failure to maintain control after the aircraft touched down on the correct runway. I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. Of the 28 passengers and 4 crew members on board, four passengers and the pilot were taken to the hospital with minor injuries, said Kim Smith, Presque Isle public information officer. Although she had subsequently received her EMB-145 type rating and been upgraded to captain, the NTSB said that "her repeated training problems indicated an inadequate foundation for being a captain, which CommutAir did not effectively address. How difficult he is ? Its like we didnt learn from Colgan, except to keep the 1500 hr (which I dont think would have stopped the crash, but different topic for different day). There were three minor injuries. . I am so curious to know why it took so long for really anything to be released about this accident. From June 2007 to October 2008, the aircraft was operating for Delta Connection before operating once again for Continental Express until October 2010 when it commenced operations for United Express. The aircraft appears intact enough to preserve the FDR and CVR. The first officer then spotted a tower near the aircraft's position, and realizing that the aircraft was not aligned properly with the runway, he initiated a missed approach. The pilots conversed directly with airport maintenance staff because Presque Isle International Airport did not have a local, National Transportation Safety Board Aviation Accident Final Report, "NTSB: United Express plane missed runway in Presque Isle", "5 injured after flight from Newark slides off snowy runway in Maine", "Safety board says cockpit crew caused 2019 Presque Isle crash landing", "Report: United 2019 Embraer 145 Crash Due To Pilot Misidentifying Snow Covered Runway", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CommutAir_Flight_4933&oldid=1120030447, This page was last edited on 4 November 2022, at 18:29. By the time it exploded in midair 25 years later, it had . After reaching the decision altitude, the captain said she had seen the runway in front of the aircraft. 3.5. The fact that the product that airlines seek can be bought and behavior tailored shows just how fucked some hiring practices are. On the second approach when the FO stated he couldn't see the runway at a hundred feet, she should have called for a go around and did not. The NTSB has scrubbed any mention of this accident from their website. A month later we got a PRIA request from another operator. United/CommutAir flight 4933, a 50-seat Embraer EMB-145XR operating as United Express, was scheduled to arrive at PQI on March 4 at 10:49 a.m., according to FlightAware, but instead landed at about 11:30 a.m., and wasn't officially confirmed as having "arrived" at the airport's terminal until 12:30 p.m. A preliminary report Thursday [March 21] indicates the 50-seat Embraer 145 approached to the right of the runway on an aborted first landing attempt and then again when it touched down March . She failed her EMB-145 checkride during her initial attempt and was later placed under "increased scrutiny" by CommutAir twice. The aircraft was piloted by a 40-year-old captain who joined CommutAir in March 2013 before working for another air carrier in November 2015. ). The captain responded that she saw the lights but that it was also really white at PQI. The accident took place on a snowy day in Presque Isle, Maine. During the ensuing approach, both pilots said they saw the runway, albeit with difficulty due to snow. Just because you are a pilot doesn't mean you are a good pilot and belong in a high performance part 121 aircraft! This isn't surprising to me at all. By thoroughly investigating all of the factors that led to the plane missing the runway, the final report issued by the NTSB today can help ensure that this kind of preventable accident never happens again.. I'm personally still waiting to see what happened to the American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. We smelled some burning, but nothing was on fire. It was a woman. "[1]:3, About 36 hours before the accident, a CommutAir flight crew had noticed the lateral localizer error and reported it to the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center; however, FAA procedures dictated that before a navigational aid malfunction could be officially reported, a second independent report of the error was needed, which had not been received. Back on March 4th of that year, A 50 passenger Embraer plane was attempting to land on runway 1 at the Presque Isle International Airport in light and moderate . The initial part of the flight was uneventful. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. I would prefer to add accidents in circumstances similar to this one: botched instrument approaches resulting in the aircraft touching down somewhere other than the intended landing runway. By subscribing to our service you can get the news mailed right onto your desktop as soon as The Aviation Herald reports them and get permission to publish the news/articles on your website or reprint them in your newspaper (but not to relicense/redistribute them to other venues), provided you print proper reference (avherald) or provide a proper link to our article on your online publication. Why has literally no information been put out by the NTSB? He had not gone to sleep until around 1:00 EST the night before the accident due to flight and shuttle delays during the preceding workday, and he had only slept until 6:00 EST, about five hours, whereas he usually slept for about eight hours. Senator Susan Collins, the Ranking Member of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, issued a statement on the release of the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) final report on the missed runway incident at Presque Isle International Airport that occurred in March of 2019. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. Well, the first attempt they pulled up before landing so obviously something was wrong, he said. Le 23 fvrier 2019, un Boeing 767 cargo effectuant le vol Atlas Air 3591 pour le compte d'Amazon Air, entre l'aroport international de Miami, en Floride, et l'aroport intercontinental George-Bush de Houston, au Texas, s'crase Trinity Bay, prs de la ville d'Anahuac, lors de son approche sur Houston.Les deux membres d'quipage et le seul passager prsent bord meurent dans l . Report: United 2019 Embraer 145 Crash Due To Pilot Misidentifying Snow Covered Runway. The subscription requires, that you sign up for an account first, then subscribe from your account. ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. Interestingly (unless I'm missing something) the CVR transcript still hasn't been released. She had accumulated a total of 5,655 flight hours, 1,044 of them on the Embraer EMB-145XR. X File Under: <Fuel> Circulate To: General Manager Service Manager Parts Manager Service Advisors Technicians Body Shop Manager Fleet Repair X X X X SUBJECT: GROUP MODEL FUE 2017-2019MY Niro (DE HEV) NUMBER DATE 041 August 2019 TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN [1]:15, In a post crash interview, the first officer of the flight stated that when he transitioned from looking at his flight instruments to the outside, all he could see was "white on white". It's interesting to see what gets released fairly quickly (such as the 909 accident) or takes forever. Last Update: Saturday, Mar 4th 2023 20:54Z. Did anyone else see that they got the shaker during the first missed, and set off the EGPWS? This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved, said Senator Collins. Accident. After the accident, CommutAir implemented several actions to increase safety, said the NTSB. Due to internet piracy we needed to close access to proxies. The experience had humbled her, but then she upgraded and the drama began again. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. The flying pilot should have executed to go around yet did not. The first officer stated "I'm staying on the flight director 'cause I don't see it yet", and the captain responded by repeating the phrase "stay in it", followed by "what the [expletive]" and the first officer saying "I dont know what Im seein'." It is preliminary and is based on the facts as they are known at this time. Do you want to learn about the safety record of Commutair? The ILS was screwy bc of snow, known issue in PQI. Wow, clearly that investigator was a sport's guy, cause I wouldn't have known what to make of it. One pilot & three passenger reported minor injuries. Instead, they saw white on white and a structure with an antenna but not the runway itself. The Aviation Safety Network is an exclusive service provided by: United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. Nonetheless, they didnt call for a second go-around. [3], The aircraft had three crew members (two pilots and a flight attendant). The pilot flying was a man. Preliminary Accident and Incident Notices are also available in csv format (Microsoft Excel) for downloading and use in databases or spreadsheets. As a leader of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, Senator Collins has consistently secured robust funding for the instrument landing system (ILS) that provides pilots with precision landing information in poor visibility. Photo: NTSB. The service runs two outbound and inbound flights per day on weekdays and one outbound and one inbound flight per day on weekends. I work in the 135 world and I was shocked more companies dont fly their applicants either in the sim or an aircraft. This isnt surprising to me at all. Now Im working with them at a majorand guess what? This accident occurred less than 2 weeks after the Atlas crash. Safety Recommendation Report . After the go-around, the first officer asked the captain if she saw the runway lights during the approach. Frankly, it's a white man's favorite myth. If he cant tell were the runway is what other skills is he lacking???? Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. [1]:5. Same man, was checking about everyday for the last month or so. 553 .1972 12 8, N9031U (City of Lincoln): 2 737-222 : 1 . . that one. The carrier that won the hunger games contract wars of 2020. Left Republic due to LOFT issueswhat does that mean??? The plane touched down then slid off the runway. For all the latest news from the show click here! They also ping the FO for not using his CPAP in a few places. "Landed and slid to the right of the runway" and "landed on Runway 1 and then veered off" were respective initial statements from CommutAir and the FAA, both of which contradict the findings. The Aviation Herald offers quite sophisticated criteria to enable you select exactly those news, that are of real interest to you. Commutair 4933 Roger Roger May 22, 2022 1 2 3 4 Next Roger Roger Paid to sleep, fly for fun May 22, 2022 #1 Couldn't find the original threads, but the docket is open NTSB Docket - Docket Management System data.ntsb.gov Minuteman "Dongola" May 22, 2022 #2 Oh yeah . commutair 4933 ntsb report. 3:11-cv-05 | Casetext Search + Citator. If this is the same one, she was pretty infamous. On March 4, 2019, the Embraer EMB-145XR operating the flight touched down in a snow-covered grassy area to the right of the runway at Presque Isle International Airport, injuring three aircraft occupants and substantially damaging the aircraft. However, none of the pilots reported the issues. The plane will remain in place until the FAA arrives to assess the situation. The airplane was substantially damaged. He had accumulated a total of 4,909 flight hours, 470 on the Embraer EMB-145XR. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. His specialist knowledge of Latin American airlines and close relationship with the likes of Aeromexico, Avianca, Volaris brings depth to our coverage in the region. The failed landing was the second attempt to land. On Mar 21st 2019 the NTSB reported: "On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. The report indicated that Golden State was leading at halftime 58-49. Perhaps the craziest example of this was with King Air N13LY, which didn't record the accident flight but instead "During the flight to Fort Yukon, a radio broadcast from an ESPN radio affiliate was received and recorded on channel 1 of the CVR. For more information, please see our Nobody gets a pass for sex and skin color. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:49, 15 August 2022 (UTC), CommutAir Flight 4933 United Express Flight 4933 Per WP:COMMONNAME, crashes of regional jets operated by contractors under a major airline's regional brand name should use the brand name for easy identification by members of the general public, who are typically unfamiliar with contractors such as CommutAir (not to mention Envoy, Endeavor, Republic, Jazz Aviation, etc.). For those who refer to the pilot as a man, I was a passenger in this plane, and the pilot was not a man. American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. One landing gear sheered off and wedged between fuselage & left engine.N14171 Embraer ERJ-145 pic.twitter.com/Vg07liGiDU. Pretty concerning when your livelihood is tied to things like accidents. Privacy Policy. Preventing Windshield Arcing, Smoke, and Fire on Bombardier DHC-8 Airplanes . By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Simple Flying will be at the Farnborough Airshow next week. Since Atlas 3591 and Colgan 3407 airlines are scrutinizing training failures a little closer. The industry is hurting for flight deck crew members. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (WABI) A United Express flight had a rough landing at Presque Isle's airport Monday leaving a pilot and four passengers with minor injuries, that according to city officials. [5], The final report was released by the NTSB on July 12, 2022, more than 3 years after the accident. and our What a douche. Airport maintenance staff later reported that the runway lights were not illuminated at the time. Commutair. At 11:01EST, Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center cleared the aircraft to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle, and the pilots initiated an instrument landing system (ILS) approach.